Welcome to talk in English in KRH forums

[56krh32]

I just notice, that our website is many visitors from Australia and USA... (Sat 17th of May 2008 at 12:30 UTC) and I'm quite sure that you visitor's don't understand Finnish, so here you go... English section where you may talk anything about radio's, like DX-listening, CB, HAM, Scanner, Free-radio.... you name it..

[meikäläinen]

It would be kinda nice to see foreign radio etc. hobbyist here too
You are warmly welcome!

[OH6HGW]

jes, wee spiik tangs....

[oh6kw]

tuu tii tu tööti tuu

[oh2jin]

This far it seems that the only participants here are from Finland, but hopefully this thread is read abroad too. So, please feel free to express your views on different radio related matters here. I suppose this discussion forum is read in addition to Australia and USA in e.g. Baltic Sea area countries (Sweden, Estonia, Germany) too.

[orn]

Hello All,

This far it seems that the only participants here are from Finland, but hopefully this thread is read abroad too.

Let me introduce myself;
My name is John and I am a Dutch Shortwave pirate; Orion Radio the Netherlands. At the moment I am Active in 76, 52 and 48 mb, and have test many other freq. in 19 and 32 mb too. I have found this forum by searching the internet to 5725khz and found some reception reports for Orion Radio; however this board looks interesting the finnish language is to deficult for me; i'm sorry.

But returning to the above quote; here I am
I hope to vissit this board more often.

[Matti]

I have found this forum by searching the internet to 5725khz and found some reception reports for Orion Radio.

You found my old logs, welcome John to the forum of RadioHullut (Radio Maniacs), I heard you many times on shortwaves.
-jedi-

[orn]

Hello Jedi,

Thanks for the replay. Ha indeed, but I've found more log from ORN. To bad itis a bit quiet here. Now the day I am often on 5815kc 52mb the Sunday morning.
Any way Jedi, nice to meet you here

73's John

[oh2jin]

...To bad itis a bit quiet here...

Hi OM orn / John. Nice to have you here and you are welcome also on my behalf. So far I have not heard your station because I have not been active in monitoring free radio broadcasters. Despite that I am rather interested in clandestine communicatons and radio activity. If your comment above meant this forum, yes we are so busy with our radios that we cannot always debate here. And in summer time people tend to be outdoors with insects.

I visited your website and (your?) forum. Nice. However I am not aware at all of any Dutch (or Flemish or whatsoever the language of yours is) interestingly I can read your forum texts with my badly broken German (!).

Perhaps I should be more prompt and monitor next Sunday your frequencies on 52 meter band. And if so then I'll report here.

[Fakiiri]

Hello all pirate enthusiasts, we have some finnish pirate oldtimers on the lines, too.

[orn]

Thanks guys for axplanation, well indeed it is summertime and we are also often outdoors. Indeed the Dutch Am-forum is most in Dutch, sorry. The Enlish topic there is quiet too

Anyway at the Borderhunter summermeeting there where four Finnish guys; they drunk a lot and had a wonderfull weekend. Nice to see the Hobby is still alive.

Well as mostly the sundaymorning I am on air at 0700utc.

Have a nice weekend, John

[oh2jin]

Yeah, I just checked my HF wire installations (nights are not dark here at these times) as well as the receivers and I am going to listen to your station at 0700z on 5725 kHz or whatever it is o the 52 meter band. Anyway I suppose it should propagate well enough for a decent reception.

[orn]

Yeah, I just checked my HF wire installations (nights are not dark here at these times) as well as the receivers and I am going to listen to your station at 0700z on 5725 kHz or whatever it is o the 52 meter band. Anyway I suppose it should propagate well enough for a decent reception.

Well thanks for that. It must be stange when the nights are not dark in summertime. Now the day I am on 5815kc in 52mb if free of course.

cheers,

[oh2jin]

I checked the frequency of 5815 kHz at 0700z onwards, however the only times I could hear some signals was at 0706z, 0711z when some modulation was present at the frequency. I think at the latter the music ended and there was spoken word with a male voice. But essentially too weak for reception for too low signal level and on the other hand perhaps too high noise level here. Then at 1037z I heard some music once again but *essentially* too weak for my reception equipment, sri. I had Icom IC-R-71E and Kenwood R-5000 communications receivers as well as Kenwood R-1000 and R-600 and Yaesu FRG-7700 receivers as back up. I used one 30 metre and one 12 metre horizontal wire antenna. The counterpoise was central heating copper tubing of my house which is normally adequate enogh for reception purposes.

The same problem applied to the Deutsche Welle when T-Systems (Deutsche Telekom) lost the bid for relaying DW programming from their Julich relay. The 6075 kHz 24/7 frequency for Europe and Middle East is not necessarily audible everyday in the mornings here. They compensate the problem with carrier power. I *think* the problem in this particular case is that the propagation path is not N-S, rather NE-SW. In my experience the optimum propagation path below, say 41 meter band, is N-S or even NW-SE. But the E-W propagation is *almost solely* handled by NVIS mode if applicable.

Obviously your main audience is in Central Europe, so you probably utilize more high angle NVIS propagation mode, or some surface wave, the latter below say 100...150 km distances. One reason is probably that my antenna is not very sky wave oriented around those 50 meter bands due to poor counterpoising. The other question is the frequency selection which of course has its limits. If one doesn't care dead zones then it is possible to rely almost completely on those low angle skywaves. On 26 mHz there are some trials in the USA where they have had excellent results while local DRM broadcasts have been audible very far away. Also the MUF and dead zone ECCM EW-techniques were widely used in the 1980's when the allied powers beamed their synchonized broadcasts to the Soviet bloc. They selected as high a frequency as possible and adjusted the radiation angle (by selecting the transmission site and antenna) so that the effective skywave jamming was impossible. By proper frequency and agle selection one can beam rather strong signal levels onto any part of the globe and with excesive carrier power knock out most the surface wave jammers. There is an excellent BBC Radio 4 documentary on this issue mentioned in this thread

http://www.radiohullut.net/foorumi/view ... f=2&t=1186

Unfortunately the second link is broken but I think the program can still be heard via the BBC Real Audio service.

I am not at all familiar with the (free radio) broadcasting but if I were asked I would select a simulcast frequency in case signal should be beamed from the Netherlands to the Northern Europe. One possibility is the said 26 MHz band or some frequency around 13...16 MHz. The frequencies around 5...6 MHz are suitable in the evening and especially night time for long distance intra-European comms. That is of course discussed from the propagational point of view, however severe technical, financial and legal restrictions may apply.

In the early 1990's I listened in certain urban apartment block with my portable transistor radio (not a comms receiver) and indoor wire antenna system the post Gulf War Iraqi station "Mother of All Battles" and I think I have some recordings still somewhere. But that happened in the late evening hours.

Anyway, at least now (because of your activity) I know what parts of my reception system I should improve for the next time. I think I modify and dedicate one of my IMAX-2000 extra radial to a 30 something meter wire and add a counterpoise wire *below* that.

Anyway OM orn/John 73's and keep on going and testing from the Netherlands!

[orn]

Thanks Rafael for this info, much appreciated.

Just for short now, I am still on air Most Dutch pirates are between 6200 and 64ookc and in weekend in evening or nighttime between 3900-3950kc.

Later more,

thanks cheers,